Comments on: Patriot or Traitor? http://quelquefois.net/toujours/2008/12/27/patriot-or-traitor/ Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:04:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Roadblock http://quelquefois.net/toujours/2008/12/27/patriot-or-traitor/comment-page-1/#comment-69 Roadblock Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:12:31 +0000 http://quelquefois.net/toujours/?p=282#comment-69 “这些…意见分子，其实他们也是爱国的，就是提出不同的意见.” 意见分子 is not a real Chinese word. But its homophone 异见分子 means dissident. "It is unfortunate that they so swiftly dismiss and destroy any vestige of protest or dissatisfaction with the central government, because I do believe that the CPC can learn from the suggestions that intellectuals offer and improve the condition of their country, too. " CPC itself is run in part by a group of brilliant intellectuals. But many of those who put forth Charter 08 are not honest intellectuals. And in many ways, they really don't represent any constituency in China. Some of them are even paid employees of foreign intelligence or "NGOs" like the National Endowment for Democracy of the US. This is all documented and open to the public (Just go to the websites of some of those NGO, and you'll find some familiar Chinese names on their lists of fund recipients). “这些…意见分子，其实他们也是爱国的，就是提出不同的意见.”

意见分子 is not a real Chinese word. But its homophone 异见分子 means dissident.

“It is unfortunate that they so swiftly dismiss and destroy any vestige of protest or dissatisfaction with the central government, because I do believe that the CPC can learn from the suggestions that intellectuals offer and improve the condition of their country, too. ”

CPC itself is run in part by a group of brilliant intellectuals. But many of those who put forth Charter 08 are not honest intellectuals. And in many ways, they really don’t represent any constituency in China. Some of them are even paid employees of foreign intelligence or “NGOs” like the National Endowment for Democracy of the US. This is all documented and open to the public (Just go to the websites of some of those NGO, and you’ll find some familiar Chinese names on their lists of fund recipients).

]]> By: sngk http://quelquefois.net/toujours/2008/12/27/patriot-or-traitor/comment-page-1/#comment-66 sngk Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:10:31 +0000 http://quelquefois.net/toujours/?p=282#comment-66 This was a really thought-provoking post. I read the New Yorker article you hyperlinked too, and I can't help but focus on one statement the writer made concerning the contradictions between the Chinese neoconservative ideology professed by Tang and the PRC's continuing attempts to posture itself into being an indispensable member in the international political and economic arenas. I'm just curious as to how the PRC can justify its idealistic goal of garnering a level of respect and clout equivalent to that of a hegemonic power while maintaining a fiery nationalistic perspective. Is the PRC really going to bully other nations into accepting its point of view? This was a really thought-provoking post. I read the New Yorker article you hyperlinked too, and I can’t help but focus on one statement the writer made concerning the contradictions between the Chinese neoconservative ideology professed by Tang and the PRC’s continuing attempts to posture itself into being an indispensable member in the international political and economic arenas. I’m just curious as to how the PRC can justify its idealistic goal of garnering a level of respect and clout equivalent to that of a hegemonic power while maintaining a fiery nationalistic perspective. Is the PRC really going to bully other nations into accepting its point of view?

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